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02/17/2022 03:30 PM Senate COMMUNITY & REGIONAL AFFAIRS

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*+ SB 177 MICROREACTORS TELECONFERENCED
Heard & Held
-- Testimony <Invitation Only> --
Presentation: An Overview of Microreactor
Concepts & Safety by Dr. Ashley Finan,
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*+ SB 172 PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION TELECONFERENCED
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Sen. Bill Wielechowski & Nick Moe,
Staff for Sen. Wielechowski
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**Streamed live on AKL.tv**
                  SB 172-PROPERTY TAX EXEMPTION                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:33:31 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES  announced the  consideration of  SENATE BILL  NO. 172                                                             
"An Act increasing the residential property tax exemption."                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:34:25 PM                                                                                                                    
NICK  MOE,   Staff,  Senator   Bill   Wielechowski,  Alaska   State                                                             
Legislature,   Juneau,   Alaska,   introduced   SB   172   with   a                                                             
PowerPoint,  "SB 172  An Act  Increasing the  Residential  Property                                                             
Tax Exemption." He began with slide 2, discussing the highlights                                                                
of property tax relief reflected in SB 172:                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        • SB 172 increases  the  residential   property  tax                                                                    
          exemption from $50,000 to $75,000                                                                                     
        • Optional tool for  local  communities  to  use  to                                                                    
          reduce tax burden                                                                                                     
        • Increased exemption amount equals  more than  $400                                                                    
          in annual savings to average homeowner                                                                                
        • More than $12,000 in savings  over the  life of  a                                                                    
          30-year residential mortgage                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOE described why property tax relief in needed:                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
        • Property taxes have dramatically increased                                                                            
        • The cost of living  in  Alaska has  increased  the                                                                    
          last few decades as well                                                                                              
        • Average income has  not even  doubled  during  the                                                                    
          same time                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOE spoke to the property tax burden SB 172 seeks to remedy:                                                                
                                                                                                                                
        • Anchorage saw the  second   largest  property  tax                                                                    
           growth in the country between 2019 and 2020                                                                          
        • Property assessment cards were  sent out  recently                                                                    
          in Anchorage, Mat-Su, and North Star Borough.                                                                         
          Some property owners saw 10% increases in                                                                             
          appraisals or more.                                                                                                   
        • Many Alaskans  are   looking   for  solutions   to                                                                    
          increasing property taxes                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOE provided some of the history of the property tax                                                                        
exemption:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
        • On August 28,  2012,  the  Alaskan  voters  passed                                                                    
          Proposition 1, Property Tax Exemption Act                                                                             
        • Prop 1 Increased  the  residential   property  tax                                                                    
          exemption from $20,000 to $50,000                                                                                     
        • Six boroughs    and   municipalities    now   take                                                                    
           advantage of the exemption set by the state.                                                                         
        • 54% of Alaskans enjoy property tax relief  through                                                                    
          this exemption                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:37:10 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HUGHES  asked  how many  boroughs  and  municipalities  that                                                             
have property tax were not taking advantage of the exemption.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOE  answered that 12  of the 18 boroughs  that are  allowed to                                                             
collect   property  taxes   are   not  taking   advantage  of   the                                                             
exemption.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES asked if that was both boroughs and municipalities.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOE said he would follow up with a definitive number.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOE  turned to the  state map on slide  6, that identifies  six                                                             
boroughs  and  communities  that  take  advantage  of  the  $50,000                                                             
property   tax  exemption.   These   are:  North   Slope   Borough,                                                             
Fairbanks  North  Star Borough,  City  of Valdez,  Municipality  of                                                             
Anchorage, Kenai Peninsula Borough, and Bristol Bay Borough.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOE mentioned  the recent  media coverage  regarding  property                                                             
tax  values, including  an  article  in the  News  Miner last  week                                                             
that  described   dramatic   increases.  One   homeowner  saw   the                                                             
assessed value of their home double from one year to the next.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOE advanced  to the  US map  on slide  8  to illustrate  that                                                             
property  tax is  the  largest tax  that  most Alaska  home  owners                                                             
pay. The state is ranked second nationwide.                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOE displayed  the chart  on slide  9 that  shows that  Alaska                                                             
ranked  second  in   the  nation  for  the  highest   property  tax                                                             
increase  from  2019 to  2020.  He  also provided  charts  to  show                                                             
increases  in the price  of gasoline  and natural  gas compared  to                                                             
the slow growth of personal income over the last 20 years.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:39:16 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.   MOE   concluded   the   presentation   with   the   following                                                             
highlights:                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
        • Property tax relief is needed now                                                                                     
        • The cost of living for Alaskans has increased                                                                         
          dramatically                                                                                                          
        • SB 172 increases the allowable residential                                                                            
          property tax [exemption] from $50,000 to $75,000                                                                      
        • Optional tool for local communities to use to                                                                         
          reduce tax burden, most Alaskans utilize current                                                                      
          exemption                                                                                                             
        • Homeowners could save $400 a year, and $12,000                                                                        
          over the life of a mortgage                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:39:39 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES asked him to go through the sectional analysis.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOE  stated  that  the  bill  has   just  one  section,  which                                                             
increases the  property tax exemption  from $50,000 to  $75,000. It                                                             
is tied to the Consumer Price Index (CPI).                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES  observed that ten years  ago the exemption  was based                                                             
on  CPI for  Anchorage  and SB  172  changes that  to  the CPI  for                                                             
urban Alaska.                                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOE agreed that was his understanding.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR HUGHES  offered her understanding  that the Mat-Su  Borough                                                             
was not taking advantage of the exemption.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Mr. Moe agreed.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
4:41:45 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON   noted  that  she  was  a   co-sponsor.  She                                                             
corrected the  record, advising that  a homeowner whose  assessment                                                             
doubles will see their tax assessment double as well.                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
4:42:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS  referred  to the  US  map that  shows  that  Alaska                                                             
ranks  second in  the  nation for  property  tax burden.  He  noted                                                             
that  Alaska has  a local  property tax  and  a petroleum  property                                                             
tax  that  is  assessed  at  both  the  borough  and  state  level,                                                             
depending  on location.  He  wondered where  Alaska  would rank  if                                                             
the petroleum tax were removed from the calculation.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOE offered to follow up with the information.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MYERS asked if Anchorage had a tax cap.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOE answered yes.                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MYERS  noted  that  Fairbanks  also  had  a  tax  cap.  He                                                             
offered  his  view  that  the  discussion   wasn't  so  much  about                                                             
property tax  relief as tax shifting  because taxing  jurisdictions                                                             
would still  try to raise  the same amount  of revenue.  The policy                                                             
call is  whether or not  to shift the  tax burden from  residential                                                             
property owners to commercial property owners.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
4:44:37 PM                                                                                                                    
MR.  MOE   responded   that  each  borough   assesses   differently                                                             
according   to  what   works  best   for   that  jurisdiction.   He                                                             
acknowledged  that  with  a  tax   cap,  there  will  be  a  little                                                             
redistribution as opposed to an overall decrease.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON  explained  that  the tax  burden  is  spread                                                             
throughout  the   entire  tax  base  and  everybody     tax  burden                                                             
increases based on the assessment.                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR MYERS  said it will be interesting  to see what  happens in                                                             
areas like  North Pole that  have both property  and sales  tax. If                                                             
the  dollar amount  coming  in  from residential  property  tax  is                                                             
less, he  wondered whether  the mill  rate or  the sales tax  would                                                             
be increased to make up the difference.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
4:46:43 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES  pointed  out that this  was optional  and North  Pole                                                             
might  decide  not   to  take  advantage  of  the   exemption.  She                                                             
questioned  whether  Palmer  would  be interested  because  it  was                                                             
trying to  attract more  businesses. By  comparison, Anchorage  has                                                             
a  much   broader  business  base   so  each  individual   business                                                             
wouldn't  see that  much  increase.  She noted  that  the bill  was                                                             
currently written  so that a local  assembly or city council  could                                                             
decide  to  take   advantage  of  this  option.  She   offered  her                                                             
perspective  that it  was a  good  idea to  allow the  voters as  a                                                             
whole decide  on the merits of a  tax shift. She asked  whether the                                                             
sponsor had considered getting voter approval.                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOE said  he didn't know, but  would find out. To  the comments                                                             
about increasing  the burden on  commercial properties,  he pointed                                                             
out  that in  the  Mat-Su and  the  Fairbanks North  Star  Borough,                                                             
both   residential  and   commercial  property   assessments   were                                                             
increasing  so each  group will  pay  more overall.  He noted  that                                                             
assessors  in  different  parts  of the  state  also  thought  both                                                             
groups would be similarly affected.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
4:50:28 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON said  she cares  about the  entire state  and                                                             
wants property  taxes to be distributed  fairly, but in  District I                                                             
the assessed  values for commercial  properties have not  been what                                                             
they should  be for  many years  and this year  the assessed  value                                                             
for  residential  properties  increased  more  than 10  percent  in                                                             
some areas.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
4:51:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS reported  that his  property in  the Fairbanks  area                                                             
went  up  10  percent  this  year and  several  friends  saw  a  25                                                             
percent  increase. He  noted that  while a property  owner has  the                                                             
ability  to  challenge  the  assessment,   the  burden  is  on  the                                                             
property  owner  to prove  the  valuation  is wrong.  He  described                                                             
that  as a  large power  imbalance between  the  homeowner and  the                                                             
borough.  He wondered whether  the sponsor  would be interested  in                                                             
addressing  the tax  issue  by shifting  the  burden  of proof  for                                                             
property tax  valuations to the  borough instead of increasing  the                                                             
exemption for homeowners.                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
4:52:27 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  BILL  WIELECHOWSKI,  Alaska  State   Legislature,  Juneau,                                                             
Alaska,  sponsor  of  SB  172,  answered  that  he  could  do  some                                                             
research  and check  with  local communities,  but  he wasn't  sure                                                             
that  the  state  could  regulate  property   tax  assessments.  He                                                             
acknowledged  that  it  also  seemed   odd  that  the  state  could                                                             
regulate  the  size  of the  property  tax  exemptions  that  local                                                             
communities can offer.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  MYERS relayed  that  state statute  places  the burden  on                                                             
the  homeowner to  prove  the borough's  assessment  of a  property                                                             
was wrong.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:53:55 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  GRAY-JACKSON  related that  in Anchorage  assessments  are                                                             
typically  based on the  assessed value  of nearby properties.  The                                                             
municipal property  appraisal division  works with individuals  who                                                             
question their  assessments and  minor disagreements are  generally                                                             
resolved before the matter goes to the next level.                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES  noted  that  the  presentation  indicated  that  the                                                             
average savings  would be  $400 per homeowner.  Using Anchorage  as                                                             
an  example,  she asked  what  the average  property  tax  increase                                                             
will  be  for homeowners  based  on  the  higher  assessments  and,                                                             
should the  bill pass, what the average  increase would be  for the                                                             
higher assessed residential and commercial properties.                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
4:55:19 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  answered   that  he  didnt   know  what  the                                                             
average increase  would be with  the new property tax  assessments,                                                             
because the  Anchorage Assembly sets  the mill rate. The  estimated                                                             
savings  of $400  was based  on what  the  tax would  be under  the                                                             
current  mill rate  and increasing  the exemption  from $50,000  to                                                             
$75,000.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:55:53 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR  HUGHES  asked,  if  the assessments   go up  13  percent  on                                                             
average, will the property taxes also increase 13 percent.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR WIELECHOWSKI  answered not  necessarily; it depends  on the                                                             
mill rate.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES  narrowed  the  question  to include  the  same  mill                                                             
rate.                                                                                                                           
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI  deferred   the  question  to  Senator  Gray-                                                             
Jackson.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
4:56:30 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON  responded with  a hypothetical example.  If a                                                             
residential  assessment increased  $100,000  and the  mill rate  is                                                             
14.5  percent, the  homeowner  would pay  an additional  $1,450  in                                                             
taxes.                                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR HUGHES  asked  the sponsor  if he had  considered asking  the                                                             
voters to weigh in.                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI stated  that he  had no  strong feelings  one                                                             
way or the other.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES  asked  Senator  Gray-Jackson   if  anything  in  the                                                             
Municipality  of  Anchorage  charter  would  automatically  send  a                                                             
question like this to the voters.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
4:58:18 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR GRAY-JACKSON  answered she didn't  think so, but  if it did                                                             
go to  the voters she  was sure it  would pass  with at least  a 70                                                             
percent margin.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES   asked  the   sponsor  what   kind  of  support   or                                                             
opposition he'd heard.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR  WIELECHOWSKI   said  he  had  not  heard   of  any  formal                                                             
opposition, but he would defer to Mr. Moe.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
4:58:48 PM                                                                                                                    
MR. MOE  added that there  had been a lot  of support for  the bill                                                             
and  realtors were  eager  about the  potential  to lower  property                                                             
taxes. He'd heard no formal opposition.                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CHAIR  HUGHES  asked   if  chambers  of  commerce   or  the  Alaska                                                             
Municipal League had weighed in.                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. MOE answered no.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
4:59:13 PM                                                                                                                    
SENATOR  MYERS commented  that it  was a concern  if realtors  were                                                             
excited because  they were likely  thinking it would result  in the                                                             
increase in both homes sales and valuations.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
SENATOR   WIELECHOWSKI  offered   his   experience  that   realtors                                                             
typically  oppose property  tax increases  because people are  more                                                             
likely  to purchase  when  the prices  are lower.  He  acknowledged                                                             
the  possibility  that  future property  tax  appraisals  might  be                                                             
affected.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  MOE  offered his  perspective  that  in  smaller  communities,                                                             
lowering the  homeowner property taxes  with an exemption  helps to                                                             
encourage  people to  stay in the  community because  they are  not                                                             
priced out of their homes.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
5:00:39 PM                                                                                                                    
CHAIR HUGHES held SB 172 in committee.                                                                                          

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